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Does personal development matter? Why should anyone consider developing themselves? Who should be exploring self-help concepts and principles?
In the first episode of Using Your Power, David Andrew Wiebe and Maveen Kaura set out to answer these important life questions, and delve deeper into the world of personal growth.
For more by Maveen Kaura, check out Discoveryourlifetoday.com.
Podcast Highlights: Personal Development
00:00 – What’s going on
00:17 – How important podcast number one is
02:29 – Reflecting on why we got started
03:56 – Why personal development?
06:43 – Positional leadership
09:33 – Defining personal development
13:45 – Getting in to personal development
15:32 – Joining network marketing groups
17:48 – Why does personal development matter?
20:56 – Self-image and personal development
24:45 – Steps to minimize baggage
28:23 – Being a part of personal development
29:55 – Who is personal development for?
33:59 – Top three personal development leaders we listen to
38:45 – Summary of the show and outro
Transcription:
David: Welcome to Using Your Power. I’m David Andrew Wiebe and joining me is…
Maveen: Maveen Kaura.
David: Well it’s great to be chatting with you today Maveen, how’s it going?
Maveen: Hey, David, I’m doing very well, how’s your day?
David: Not bad, I feel little tired today but you know, that we’ve been doing a bit of recording today and that’s kind of energizing in a way.
Today we want to talk a little bit about personal development because really that’s one of the main topics that we’re recovering at Using Your Power.
We know how important podcast number one is, right? Everybody goes back and listens to number one and maybe if you find us later on when we have episode 100 or episode 200. If you like it, we know you’re going to go back to one to listen to it. Which is why we’re going to try to make this great!
But Maveen and I, this is the first time we’re been podcasting together so we’re still figuring out our chemistry at this point. We are stilling to make it great or as good as we possibly can. But I think the main point is just to have a lot of fun and maybe establish what it is that we’re going to cover on Using Your Power, right?
Maveen: Yeah, David, I know if people want to go back to episode one, they are definitely going to see us grow, you’re going to see us change, you are also going to see why we’re in personal development and what we experience can also be experienced by our listeners. They can use that information to keep growing themselves. I know that when episode 100 does come, I’m going to go listen to episode one and really see what we sound like.
You’re right, I mean we’ve known each other now for a couple years but we have never done this type of podcast or this type of show where we go back and forth. We have had conversations many times but never sat down said let’s just record what we talk about and see where it takes us.
David: And that’s some of what it’s based off of because we used to have all these conversations and we still do really. We go to Starbucks or some other coffee house, we get together we talk about life, we process our problems and then we get to business eventually at some point.
Maveen: As soon as we get past our tangents in our conversations, and I know me I go off on tangents all the time, I got tell you another story or I got to give you an example. And I am pretty excited and I’m pretty excitable that way. If I go off on tangents here, just tap me on the shoulder or something and tell me to get back in line.
David: Oh, I want to hear your tangents.
Maveen: Well it will make for good conversation.
David: I feel like one of the reasons The Music Entrepreneur is where it’s at, is because I’ve had you’re help and I’ve had somebody to bounce my ideas off of. It’s really important, I do believe in this whole idea of Owning The Race Course, or owning and controlling your business, but that also means at times you don’t always have the feedback you need to move into the next level. That’s one of the things I really enjoyed about connecting with you on an ongoing basis.
Maveen: Thanks David, I appreciate that and those are really kind words. You know I’ve enjoy sitting with you and really just watched you grow. I have not done any of the changes for you, you really had to go through the changes, and taking a look at the website when you first started off.
And saying this is what I think or this is what I would maybe do and try. I have never developed a website, I had never done any of the things you had to do. So, seeing and trusting me on saying maybe this guys has a point, I’ll make that little change here, I will try this and knowing that I was not giving you information that was not incorrect and I wanted to help you develop yourself and develop your business as well.
David: Yes, having that outsider perspective is very beneficial and important to today’s topic as well. Here’s the segue. We are going to be talking about personal development. Why does it matter? Why should you care? Why would people want to get into personal development?
I want to start with a story. I was recently chatting with a friend and he was saying, “you know you me, anything personal development I just don’t believe in it.”
The interesting part about him is I think he does assimilate or subscribe to certain ideas of personal development. He reads pretty heavily, even into philosophy, and he has very strong opinions and beliefs about the world, so I don’t think the concept is entirely lost on him. But I think what he’s describing is what can happen in the workplace.
Some manager reads a book on a whim because they don’t read books and then he decides, “Hey, this is an awesome book, let’s get all the employees doing this stuff and let’s implement right away.” Then they look for approval from their boss because they are so excited they just sell it to their boss.
Next thing you know, everybody on the team is having to study and learn this book even though it could have been the first book that manager stumbled upon, and it may not be anything special, maybe he never read anything like it before so that was exciting and interesting to him.
So, I think there is that whole thing of like personal development applied to the workplace. “Oh but you didn’t communicate the right way, remember what it said in that book? You’re supposed communicate this way.” I feel like it’s that rigidity sometimes that people associate with personal development.
Maveen: I think you’re right, I can give you tons of examples from the work a day world, which is exactly where I am coming from. I have worked in the banks, I have worked in insurance, David as you know, I have sold homes, I have sold cars, I have sold technology.
It’s been interesting to know and see the way that the managers perceive and come to you. You’re right, their own managers are just say, “Hey, you need to grow your team. You need to motivate it.” A lot of times these guys are all positional leaders that are being told to motivate their team. Sometimes they don’t even have the right skills to motivate sales teams.
That’s the world I’m coming from. They are just out there and give you that, “hooray, hooray”, speech that really doesn’t necessarily motivate everybody. There is a definite technique to it. I think you know that.
Me and you have had the opportunity to throw those techniques off each other. I’m sure you know we had a conversation like whatever I say is not meant to hurt you in any way, it really is to help you but if it comes off a little harsh understand where is it coming form.
David: When you’re masterminding, yeah!
Maveen: Sometimes you just got to give your ideas and help people understand where’s it’s coming from.
David: You raise an important question there, which is, what is the difference between positional leadership and other leadership?
Maveen: A positional leader to me is someone who’s just been put in that position not necessarily having the right leadership skills as you would expect. A positional leader to me someone who’s been given the opportunity to maybe take over a new team or start a division but really has no real experience in maybe sales or maybe they come from a different part of the company. Now they’re looking to motivate 10, 20 maybe 40 even 100 people to hit quotas that their managers are asking them to attain. Being in that position can be tough and it’s not for everybody as we know.
David: So, are you saying that people that are in positional leadership may be formally qualified but aren’t necessarily qualified in other ways to be a positional leader?
Maveen: I think so David. A lot of people are just given the opportunity to try to prove themselves in other facets of life. They don’t necessarily have a proven track record, they just have been thrown in that position, just to say, “Hey, let’s see what you can do.”
I think the people who will succeed in that do take personal development seriously and understand that having knowledge and working in a certain part of the market or segment will also give them the experience to continue to grow.
David: That’s interesting stuff, but yeah, I think that’s oftentimes how personal development comes across to people and some people do get something out of it. Some will go to a leadership conference because the whole company will go and learn from some other leaders or leadership speakers and then they’ll come back and some employees will be inspired by that, so sometimes it’s also a good thing not always a negative thing.
But, I think at this point we should talk a little bit about what personal development means to us because if people only have that association of the corporate environment, “let’s bring a book or resource and make everybody subscribe to it,” versus self-directed, self-education. I feel like is a completely different thing.
Self-directed, self-education is the essence of personal development. Click To TweetMaveen: On that point you’re completely right.
David: So, how would you go about defining personal development Maveen, what does it mean to you?
Maveen: That’s great question, and as I’ve grown and as I have changed, it has started to mean different things as I reach different parts of my life. For now, you know, when I was in my early 20s, coming out of college starting off my career and what personal development meant to me was trying to grow in the companies I was working at.
I really just focused on work, not really anything else. As I have gone through work and tried different things, I’m in my late 38 now, 38 to be exact. I have found different ways and different areas to grow.
Personal development now isn’t just for work, it’s also for different parts if my life. I am also married, I am also looking to be an entrepreneur and start off and do other things. I am looking to get into wholesale. So, to me personal development really means to stay ahead of what’s out there in the market, try to learn and try to continually apply what I’m learning.
David: I was going ask about that because I wanted to move away, a little bit, from that corporate conversation, but you’re right. If you’re in a job and you want to be better or if you want to be promoted or if you want to be a standout employee, then personal development can help you.
Now, if you’re not indispensable to the companies you work at, you also put yourself at risk of being fired when you stand out from the crowd. But then you also increase your potential to be somebody that’s indispensable or what Seth Godin calls a Linchpin to the whole operation. And then no matter what you do, they are not going to be able to fire you because they see you as being essential to the company. I guess, I should talk a little bit about what I think personal development is or what my feelings are around it as well.
One of the reasons I think I felt the need to get into it was because my dad passed away when I was 13. S,o it’s been many years now, I guess it’s about 20 years since he passed away. I was searching and looking for my identity and trying to figure out my place the world. I grew up in Japan, but as I came back to Canada, I did not feel like I made as many friends, I did not feel like I belonged. I have since figured out or have reconciled that people here are very individualistic.
Maveen: Absolutely! You know in different cultures, you’re find people being different. So, obviously moving from the Japanese culture, which you are a lot more familiar than myself, but coming to North America, particularly in Alberta, everybody’s a little more conservative.
David: Yeah, that’s a big part of it. Just the different thinking, the culture. Japan might be a little bit more community-minded in terms of how their culture works overall, whereas we can be more individualistic, but I think we’re sometimes individualistic to the point where it’s detrimental to ourselves.
But personal development was something that… I tried reading different things. I think I often heard reading was a good thing. Readers are leaders or whatever.
Maveen: Yeah that’s one of those often-quoted saying, I can’t remember who said it but it’s one of those sayings I have heard myself.
David: So, first I just tried to find things that I could get into. I used to try J.R.R. Tolkien, and Lord of the Rings and stuff like that and it just didn’t capture me. Like I would still make it to the end of the book, but it would take me months if not years to do it.
Maveen: Yes, I have had books like that, I read, that they just take you months on end finish reading, and you put it down after one page and it’s so dry you can’t get through it, or it’s exciting but it really did not add any additional value to you.
David: Exactly, and then going to the music industry I learned about CD Baby and distributing music and such. That’s when I first heard about Derek Sivers because at the time he was still the founder and CEO of the company. I guess once a founder you’re always a founder but he does not work for them anymore. And through him I learned about Steve Pavlina and I think one of the first things I ever read or looked at was not accepting other people’s timelines for your life and he gave examples, getting a college degree in in two years instead of the regular four or whatever. I thought that was pretty amazing so that was something that I found that I could read and enjoyed reading.
Maveen: It’s personal development when you do it faster.
David: But I think that’s in-line with challenging the status quo and challenging the traditional way of thinking and going about things differently in life. That’s what personal development has meant to me.
So, I enjoyed books on comedy and I enjoyed books on personal development, so that’s what I kept on reading. I read other books, but they didn’t always interest me quite as much.
And Mav you and I share that experience of having been a part of various network marketing organizations where personal development is actually a pretty significant component to the whole thing. Although, I think they also instill some beliefs and some thoughts that may not always be productive or wholesome or what you need to hear at the time.
Challenging the status quo is what personal development has meant to me. Click To TweetMaveen: Absolutely, you know David we both joined the same network working group at two different times. Mine, I joined in my earlier to mid 20s. Almost about 10 to 13 years ago now. You joined I think five years ago.
David: Yes, that’s about right.
Maveen: I mean we definitely experienced similar things, parallel things just on different time line, it feels like. You’re right, we were stressed and always were stressed about reading and listening to CDs and growing your personal self and applying those things as well that business that we were in.
That has its place absolutely and for my own personal development that was one thing that made me want to learn and grow myself. So, not to take anything away from that portion of the direct marketing but I will say that there are other parts of it I am not going to speak to at this point in time.
On the personal development side, it did make a huge difference. I never used to read books, you know, I never really wanted to. I got out of school and I was excited and said everything I need to know I already learned. I came from that mindset and if I just work and grow and just do what they tell me to do, I’ll be successful.
Then just like you I joined the direct marketing and from there I learned you do need to start reading and not just one book. I started reading multiple books at a time and finishing multiple books – 10 books a year which was huge for me at that time.
David: It’s very much a people business right so you can probably open you up to, at least open to the idea of talking to more people and making more connections in building relationships and things like that and those are some of the values that were instilling us I guess without maybe getting into the really negative side of what can be network marketing at times.
We are going to stick to our personal development topic. So we talked a little bit about how we feel about personal development I think now we are ready to get into, “Why does personal development matter?”
Maveen: That’s a great question. I mean going back to even going back in history I think, always, they have thought personal development in one way or another. You know, again depending on if our listeners here are into religious or are not into religion it doesn’t really matter. They’ve always had books even two thousand years ago they had some sort of Scriptures. They were considered the books of the time. Although a lot of this information was memorized and pass on through memory or some sort of tablet or what not but they’ve always talked about having ethics and morals and be a good person and I think that’s what personal development really comes down. In myself, where I am right now it’s about ethics and doing the right thing and just being the best person I can be, for I am right now and for where I want to go in the future.
David: What if you instinctually know the kind of person that you are and want to be, is there still value in trying to think about personal development or applying personal development to your life?
Maveen: Absolutely, I mean, with an ever-changing world David you can see that what you know today will change again tomorrow. So if you should continue to believe who you are today, you won’t yourself to grow. If you let yourself grow and move with the times you as you can see we had an iPhone one an now we are coming onto iPhone seven, as of this recording. Look at all the little things that changed in that phone. Are you still using your iPhone one?
David: If I had one, I would probably upgrade.
Maveen: You would probably upgrade and change with the change with the time, right? So if you were close minded, you would have probably just bought that one phone, probably still be on a rotary phone, if you know what that is David? Maybe you have that phone plugged into wall, you got to use a quarter. You know you would never grow but if you take what’s coming at you on a daily basis and change and grow along with it because you’re learning about yourself. In that change within itself I think it allows you to become that person you think you but even better than the person you think you are.
David: Personal development, I feel like it’s like holding up a mirror to yourself and what do you see because in your mind you could conceive an idea of who you are, like just to give an example maybe you think you’re totally fit any got six pack and you got big pipes. And then you look in the mirror and you go, “Hold on a second,” when I take an honest look at myself I don’t I don’t have all that yet is still working on it.
Maveen: Yup your still scrawny, you got that guy sticking out and you actually got a hairy chest and even though you thought it was all nice and shaved looking.
David: Part of it is we’re deceived we don’t always see ourselves, I think to and extend we all think we are special and maybe we are, in different ways, but I think when all things being equal we all have the opportunity to be better and to be more than we.
Maveen: What you think self-image and personal development have to do with each other?
David: Well, I think that’s one of the reasons I got into self-development, because of having a very weak self-image. I still wouldn’t say that I’ve reached the perfection of humanity but I have gained a lot of confidence through the things that I’ve done and I’m still sensitive person to this day but I feel like I get over that, like if something bugs me it doesn’t take me weeks to get over it now it’s like give it a day or two to process it and I’m good to go again. But, I am the kind of person that went something first hits the pond, if you were to think of me as the pond, and there’s a ripple out effect, even if it’s just a pebble, that’s kind of how I experience things that’s how I feel things so I need to be able to process and then being a sensitive person like earlier in my life it would have taking me a long time to make the process just a little ripple in the pond where is now a huge rock to be thrown in to the mix and it’ll take me less time to process it so that’s just one metaphor for the way in which I’ve changed and improved I think my self-image through the process of studying and learning personal development. Do you have any thoughts to add to that?
Maveen: I think you have hit something on the nose here. Letting go. I think that’s huge, you know, when you experience something it’s not part of your self-image you have to let go right and that actually helps grow your self-image. I’m going to give you a story it is a Buddhist story, a little different but hopefully our listeners can appreciate the story.
There’s two monks walking in the forest and they’ve talked about being celibate and not touching a woman and just really focusing on being that Buddhist. Get that enlightenment and they are walk-in forest one day and they across a river and at the river there’s a lady standing there. And the ladies crying she can’t cross this river. So the one monk goes ahead and crosses the river. The second monk pics up the lady and says let’s cross rivers crossing the river. So he crosses the river and drops her off on the other side. She’s very grateful and thankful to him. They two monks continue on their way and the lady continues on her way. About an hour to an hour and a half later the one monk turns the other monk says, “You know what, I’m not happy with what you just did. You picked up and broke your celibacy, you touch the lady and you broke the rules man.
I don’t know how exactly how that conversation went but he wasn’t happy with him.
The monk said you know, “I put this lady down hours ago but you’re still carrying her with you.”
I think there’s such a lesson to be learned that. Now I apologize on not being able tell the story exactly how it goes but I think it really does give the just of what I’m trying to say of letting go of things and growing your own self-image.
David: Like the idea of carrying baggage or luggage with you long after something has occurred or happened in your life. I talked about the fact that my dad passed away earlier in my life, that a piece of luggage that I could continue to carry with me. I think to some extent you know you never forget the people that passed away that are important to you but you don’t have to continue to carry the burden and the hurt and loneliness and isolation that you’ve destroyed continually for the rest your life. That’s unnecessary.
Maveen: You help your dad live through the memories and that’s huge right you’re right does that baggage can stay with you forever if you allow it to.
David: It definitely can.
Maveen: What steps did you take David, to kind of you gotten over that death, I’m not saying you got over that death, I don’t think you ever can, you know, what steps are you taking to kind of minimize the baggage?
David: That’s really interesting question. I do feel like the books that I delve into have had a part in helping me overcome that. I think for one thing I recognized that there was this deep dark valley that had to be. The only way to get through something is to go through and the longer you stay there the harder it is to get out, because you become rather familiar with your own difficulties or self-pity. So first it recognizing that there is this deep dark valley that I had to go through and it was a willingness to go through it day by day.
Maveen: Let me stop you. How do you see that valley David, because I know when you’re in it sometimes you don’t necessarily see around it, so how see where you really were to start making the change?
David: It’s a question of interpretation, I think one of the reasons I was able to recognize it is just by observing how my family members were dealing with it are really not dealing with it. That caused me to realize that staying at my place was wasn’t healthy but the whole thing about interpretation is, and its something that is going to be in my up coming book, we have to be careful with how we interpret life events, because if we interpret them the wrong way or in a way that isn’t totally healthy that’s how we create more baggage that we just continue to carry with us.
So, it was this question of how do I interpret my dad death. How do interpret the new circumstances that I’m in, the new situation that I’m in. I was in Japan and I had a dad. Now I’m in Canada and I don’t have a dad. And it took a long time for me to interpret all those things all this changes. My new surroundings my new friends, schools all that stuff, took time but I think as I continued to observe people here and I’ve lived in this culture for quite a while now because I was born in Canada then I returned to Canada. So it kinda of is my home in a sense, I love Japan too. Those differences at first caused a lot of friction for me
Maveen: I understand what you’re saying, even as kids being different. No secret I am of East Indian decent. You know I look different, I wear different clothes, I may have a different accent and not everybody understands that. So when your from a different culture and you
come back to Canada or your from a different culture and you join a culture that’s already where you live. You know I’m born in Canada myself and you know people see you different it is such a weird feeling. But it is taking the steps in sitting down and processing its nothing you did wrong, you know, that’s huge understanding you didn’t do anything and but you have to grow from it.
David: Yes, it’s still it’s up to me to make that decision. You know, when you have been in personal development for as long as I have, which I feel like was 2007 was kind of my beginning even though I might’ve had some introductions here and there along the way. You think of so many resources that’ll help and i think of some of the things I learned five years ago which was take responsibility for your life.
Maveen: You know when you first start getting into personal development that is one of the things you’re not getting in for. You’re not getting into personal development to take responsibility for your life. Someone recommends you picking up a book or checking out some audio program that they recommended they had heard or reading a newspaper article that they found inspiring or reading a book that they found and they hand it to you and you start reading these and those little sentences in these books written by these wonderful authors, they start speaking to you and they start impacting you in a way that you weren’t expecting it to. For me, I’d start reading and I’d close the book. That’s a little deep. I don’t want to start getting that. That’s not what I want. It just a simple book wise impact in different ways. When you allowed yourself to be impacted just be open, that personal development portion, of the story, that your reading in that book can make a huge difference.
David: Right. I think at this point we need to ask one final question but a really important one, which is why or who is personal development for?
I think really there’s a fundamental answer, everybody. You need to have of a good explanation of why that is. You want to give that a try?
Maveen: I think it is for everybody and the reason I believe that is if you want to be an important part of society or if you have any desire, and some people say I don’t I want to be an important part of society. And that’s ok but you can still impact your family you can still impact your friends, you can still impact your dog, if you have one, just through personal development. Learning how to treat somebody better that’s just one small part of personal development. Now that’s a people who don’t want to potentially. For people who want to grow and succeed and I look around the room we’re sitting right now and there’s tons and tons of books in here and I see you David as someone who wants to grow and myself as well, I got maybe a little bit less books as you do but I definitely have books at home and pictures on my walls and everything. It is of things I want and you know it’s for everybody. I think personal development and the WHY. When you have a goal David, personal development is huge, you want to strive to get something you will find ways work within yourself to have that goal come true. So, do I believe everybody has a goal? I really do. Are they big goals? Not for everybody but for yourself that goal you have is your big goal. So find that you know whatever it is that motivates you and get working.
David: Right. So you can also say that personal development is for anyone that has a goal which I think we can safely assume its everybody. It’s just we’re not always aware what those goals. They can sometimes be a little bit more subversive than we realize. We have that mirror, like I said talking about earlier, when you have that mirror pointing back at you, you say that’s right I do have fitness goals, I do have financial goals, I do have health goals, I do have relationship goals and now you’re sort of coming back to the person that you are in away. You’re rediscovering what it is, who you’re about and what things motivate, what things excite you or what things that you love to see happen in your life. So I think that’s probably the personal development for anybody, you know.
Maveen: I agree David, and the other thing I’m thinking of here to, is I believe it was Einstein.
that said, if you continually do the things that you’ve done, you’re going to keep getting the same results. If you keep doing what you have done then don’t need person development but keep in mind probably won’t grow past where you are. Personal development does not have to be hard. When people think about personal development they may think it’s something really super hard that they need to do every single day and put 100% effort each day but you know what if you put 1% effort each day will eventually get you to 100%. You know, get yourself to 2%,3%, 10% and 100% eventually as you continue through that process.
David: Well we know that perfection is not possible, so if that’s your goal then, I mean, I think the thing about personal development this is a never-ending journey. In a sense you will never achieve perfection. But you can achieve a better place than where you’re at and it’s not necessarily about constant like discontent or dissatisfaction with you are you can be content and growing at the same time you can learn to appreciate your surroundings who you are and where you are right now on the way to where you’re going. And, I feel like that’s actually faster way to get to where you want to go.
Maveen: You said that well and it made me think of a question to ask you. Who are maybe some your top three personal development leaders that you listen to or read?
David: That’s a really good question and there have been a lot of three years and it’s changed a lot. Early on obviously, Steve Pavlina was pretty a major influence. I did kind of make this personal development full circle and come back to Steve Pavlina at one point recently that was that was kind of fun. I’m not sure if I can immediately think of others, I guess, Brian Tracy and Zig Ziglar have been pretty major influences along the way to. How about you?
Maveen: Myself you know when I first started to listen to podcasts I really listened to this one podcast called Motivation to Move with Scott Smith. It really gave me the feeling I could really also impact other people. It’s taken me a while on my journey through personal development to even get to this place where we are recording our episode. That’s part of the journey, its part of learning and is part of finding the leaders that you want to follow and listen to, to be motivated. Right now I still listen to those podcasts every so often but I’ve also moved on other ones. As I was just in sales career prior to this, you know, I was listening to a lot of Donald Kelly, from The Sales Evangelists, because that made huge differences for me. I want to learn to get as quick nuggets so I could apply them at my work right away. Now being in a little bit different place right now. Taking a little time off work and not going back to work for little bit. Putting steps in placed to start my own businesses. I have this podcast with you. I have been reading a lot more. So reading and just not listening. So one of the things I like to read is to keep myself grounded. It’s a little different than everybody. Some people listen to music, I like reading about spritual stuff, it helps keeps me grounded and helps me understand where I fit in, as it come to the big picture.
David: Well that’s the thing for me nowadays business books have come to become the more important facet of what I’m doing because I think you can go over the goal-setting and productivity things over and over and over again to the point where you have kind of internalizes in away or at least you have figured out systems for yourself that work.
That’s why I’m probably leaning more towards business stuff because I have a lot of learn in that sense. Some of the more recent ones have been like Tim Ferriss known for the Four Hour Work Week. Really great inspirational book I think you would have to adapt it to today’s day and age to make it work for you if you really want to do the Four Hour Work Week. There are still so many great points in there. And then Joe Pulizzi, interestingly enough, he is from the content marketing Institute and he wrote a book called, Content INC, which is really good. You wouldn’t necessarily associate that with the personal development thing but that’s the first thing you talked about. The first thing talk about his book is I have my goals, I look at them every day, here’s how we have things set up in my family, this is how we work together and support each other in our goals. I thought that’s great, that really amazing. So personal development, inspiration and motivation comes from different sources too.
Maveen: You made me think of something again, David. A great point and even in fictional story there’s always person development within the characters them self.
David: Especially Paulo Chelho type books.
Maveen: That my favorite author and you nail it on the head. There something with the way he writes. He has a way to tell a story, connect you to each character and really the takes you through this personal development journey. Every one of his books are actually personal development book in my opinion, although they hit on different topics all the way from finding your path to finding past lives and everything in between. What he gives it and he writes in such a way that you really connect. Any author even of the two books you named as well, even though they may not be on the personal development list. I put that in quotations. But they will give you ways to develop yourself if you choose to take the information out of the book and apply it back yourself.
David: Exactly! Well do you have any thoughts before we wrap up our first show?
Maveen: David, it is been an excellent show. For me I’m a little nervous, it’s our first show I think I’m done great job, you’ve done an excellent job yourself.
My final thoughts on personal development is, if you stop moving you stop growing and things that stop growing typically died. So for our listeners out there continually find ways to grow through personal development and that sometimes just need means being your best or even being better than your best but don’t compare yourself to other people. That’s where I want to probably leave it.
David: Yeah that’s great, What was the quote, “don’t compare your bloopers to somebody else’s highlight reel.” Definitely don’t do that.
Maveen: I think that was Bob Saget I think.
David: Is it really? If it is awesome.
Well it’s been really good connecting with you listeners. I am David Andrew Wiebe, and joining me was Maveen Kaura. We are can be found at usingyourpower.com. We are using your power. How’s that sound?
Maveen: We are using your power to help you dig deeper and improve your life.
David: Awesome, love it. So we’ll connect to use you again next time. Thank you.
Maveen: Thank you.
